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meri English itni improve hai k main angrezon se har roz message kar k baat karta hota hoon... aur woh meri baatain samajh bhi letay hain....aur main bhi un ki baatain samajh leta hoon... is se ziada kia improve ho gi English.....
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Pak Revolution <mc100400208@vu.edu.pk> wrote:yahna English main bat karny sy hi English improve ho gi janabOn Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Muhammad Umair <muhammad.umair.491@gmail.com> wrote:
kia urdu likhna gunah hai....aur yahan ham groups mein baat kar rahay hain, kisi professional jagah par baat nahin kar rahay...aur aap baat kartay ho English ki.. tou meri English itni achhi hai k main doosron ko apnay points theek tarah se convey kar sakta hoon...aur registrar aur rector sab ko bhi email main nay English mein ki thi, kyun k wahan professionalism chahiye tha... yahan nahin chahiye...ok..--On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:22 PM, mc110200415 Muhammad Habib Ur Rehman <mc110200415@vu.edu.pk> wrote:Shafiq Anwar this is not for you this if for Umair
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:20 PM, mc080400769 Muhammad Shafiq Anwar <mc080400769@vu.edu.pk> wrote:
Mr. Habib Mention any sentecne that i used in Urdu. read my whole mail with open eyes please and then comment on it.
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:14 PM, mc110200415 Muhammad Habib Ur Rehman <mc110200415@vu.edu.pk> wrote:
Most of of your replies hare are in URDU, How a multinational firm will give you job?Admit your mistakes.
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:02 PM, mc110200415 Muhammad Habib Ur Rehman <mc110200415@vu.edu.pk> wrote:
In these days most jobs are not degree based but experienced based.
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:01 PM, mc110200415 Muhammad Habib Ur Rehman <mc110200415@vu.edu.pk> wrote:
Umair at this time you have not even follow current exam system, how you will follow OPEN BOOK exams?
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Muhammad Umair <muhammad.umair.491@gmail.com> wrote:
aisi koi bari baat nahin hai yeh.. VU mein offline exams bhi hotay thay tou tab bhi yehi university thi...
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You missed one important point umair. This is E-University :)--
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Muhammad Umair <muhammad.umair.491@gmail.com> wrote:
top 10 universities mein aik aur paper pattern bhi hota hai..OPEN BOOK exams...tou phir VU ko woh bih shuroo karna chahiye.....OPEN BOOK exams mein conceptual questions hotay hain, aur wohi pass hotay hai jis nay parha hota hai.... book se ham sirf formula type cheezain dekh saktay hain par answer hamain directly book mein solved nahin miltay...kia khayal hai is paper pattern k baray mein ?--
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 11:52 AM, mc110200415 Muhammad Habib Ur Rehman <mc110200415@vu.edu.pk> wrote:
Stop these types of nonsense.
MCQs method of examination is used all developed countries even in world top 10 universities.
Secondly the Degree is not just for job. You can get job even without degree if you are expert in any field.
I am a professional in a multinational firm and I have interviewed lot of persons who passed even from top Pakistani universities like BZU etc but most passed students even not have basic knowladge of IT.
Also MBBS degree not means you have a good doctor. You need proper practice to become a good dector.
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 11:33 AM, mc080400405 Sajid Mohy Ul Din <mc080400405@vu.edu.pk> wrote:
ager umair VU ki study itni ee asaan hy tu tum ny 8 semester ku laga dyee....hum tu 4th main clear ker k agay study ker rahy haan ?--
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:10 AM, Muhammad Umair <muhammad.umair.491@gmail.com> wrote:
VU's degree value is low because you are degrading it, not others.I think, I was responsible when organizations started saying that we don't accept VU degree. I think they heard my voice. I think, the company who displayed in her job ad "Except Virtual University" heard my voice.Stop these irrelevant thoughts and discuss the facts.
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:07 AM, Pappu Pager <bc100200308@vu.edu.pk> wrote:
MCQs based system is being used throughout the world. Cambridge Education system which well known for its standards also use MCQs based examination system. Further, if you look around, other universities and degree awarding institutes like University of Karachi, NED, IBA use MCQs based and Subjective system together.VU's degree value is low because you are degrading it, not others. Search facebook or linkedin and you will find thousands of professionals with exceptional careers who studied in Virtual University.Check this linkedin link. (You will have to login at Linkedin before visiting this link)
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Shazia <shazia277@gmail.com> wrote:waalikumasalam..........--
perfectly written.........this is the ri8 way to express urself.........
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Muhammad Umair <muhammad.umair.491@gmail.com> wrote:
Assalam o Alaikum
Dear friends, main nay rector sab aur Registrar sab ko yeh email ki hai VU ki degree value k hawalay se.. aap bhi parhain aur comment karain.... reply aaya tou aap se zaroor share karoon ga...ok..
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Respected Sir,
Now-a-days, we frequently hear that market value of VU Degree is low and many organizations don't offer jobs to VU students, don't give internship to VU students, etc. etc.
Different people will give different reasons about why VU degree value is low. As a student who has studied last 8 semesters in VU, I have my own thoughts why VU degree value is low. In fact, it was not low, but suddenly, due to some change in VU system, degree value got low. I will explain here what that change was.
Sir, up to Spring 2008 semester, VU had long paper pattern in which 85-90% questions were long questions and only 10-15% questions were MCQs based. However, when in Fall 2008 semester, the number of students who took admission in VU increased too much, VU changed the paper pattern. Now, the question arises why paper pattern was changed when long questions paper pattern was adopted by VU ever since its existence. I think, that VU exam department thought that it will be almost impossible to check such a large number of assignments, mid-term exams and final term exams with existing staff. Therefore, we change the paper pattern to MCQs. MCQs will be checked by computer and this way we will be able to serve the students. This change in exam pattern lead to the degradation of VU Degree. Now-a-days, we see that most students prepare MCQs from past papers and as a result pass the exam without or with much less effort. Even, many students just attend MCQs both in mid-term and final term exam and still manage to pass the subject (They don't do it with all subjects, just in some selective subject in which they feel too much difficulty).
Sir! Everyone knows that when there was long questions paper pattern, no one used to say that VU degree has low value. We did not hear any single such instance in which a VU student was said while applying for job that we don't accept VU Degree. We never heard of any instance in which some organization denied a VU student for internship. But now-a-days, we frequently hear about such instances.
MCQs paper pattern may be good with some theoretical subjects BUT MCQs paper pattern can never ever be a good paper pattern for subjects in which we need to solve numerical questions like Accounting, Statistics, Mathematics, Programming and many others. No one can become a better Accountant, Statistician, Mathematician or a programmer by just solving MCQs.
Sir, we see that admissions in VU are lowering from past two or three semesters. When, VU used to provide quality education then admissions in every semester were increasing. Now, they are lowering which indicates that VU education system has some fault in it.
Sir, I want to see VU at the same place where it was when there was long questions paper pattern An era when no one used to degrade VU. No one used to say that we don't offer jobs to VU students, no one used to say that we don't provide internship to VU students and so on.
Sir! MCQs paper pattern have some many faults in it. I mentioned some of them above. With MCQs paper pattern, many students get marks that they actually don't deserve. We even see that those students pass in exam that even don't know ABC of some particular subject in which they appear. They do it by just solving MCQs.
Sir, when there was long paper pattern, only those students passed the exam that used to study, but very sad to say that with this MCQs paper pattern, those students also pass who do not study.
Sir! You, me as well as every VU student will love to see VU's degree value much higher than what it is today. To do so, I think, VU should change the paper pattern to long questions in the upcoming semester. Not only change the paper pattern, but also change the mode of exam and exam timing. In long questions paper pattern, mid-term online exams was 1:30 hrs, final term 2:30 hrs, mid-term offline exam 1 hr, final-term offline exam 2:00 hrs.
Sir, I think that when No. of students increased too much in Fall 2008 semseter. Wrong step was taken by VU to change the exam paper. VU should have increased number of staff at that point.
Sir, it is my humble request to you to understand the reasons due to which VU's degree has low market value and then try your best to remove those reasons so that we can again see VU at the place where it was 3 or 4 years back when no one degraded VU.
Your Student
Muhammad Umair
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Immoral & Rudish talk, Earning program links, Cell number for friendship purpose, Websites/Groups Links, Adult contents, Criticize-able Islamic stuff, Spreading disruption, Spamming are strictly prohibited and banned in group.
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Follow these detailed Group Rules, otherwise you will be banned at any time.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YJxA8x3_U7C1lRc0EXfLrJpco4A1XkB1vDxOTqOd3Jg/edit?hl=en&authkey=CNDy9tkJ
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***Ya Allah! grant us good in this world and good in the hereafter,
and save us from the chastisement of the fire***
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██████████████████ Basic Group Rules ███████████████████
Immoral & Rudish talk, Earning program links, Cell number for friendship purpose, Websites/Groups Links, Adult contents, Criticize-able Islamic stuff, Spreading disruption, Spamming are strictly prohibited and banned in group.
█████████████████████████████████████████████████
█████████████████████████████████████████████████
Follow these detailed Group Rules, otherwise you will be banned at any time.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YJxA8x3_U7C1lRc0EXfLrJpco4A1XkB1vDxOTqOd3Jg/edit?hl=en&authkey=CNDy9tkJ
Group Email Address:
Attock-VU-Group@Googlegroups.Com
Join group by sending a blank email from University ID at:
Attock-VU-Group+Subscribe@Googlegroups.Com
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