On 8/22/11, Mohammad Sajjad <ghulamemastan@gmail.com> wrote:
> don't say stupid to any one he has just a suggestion for vu and he could be
> right at his end....
>
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 12:14 PM, mc110200415 Muhammad Habib Ur Rehman
> <mc110200415@vu.edu.pk> wrote:
>>
>> Stupid man Can you develop a single php/asp site or VB software?
>> Even you are BS CS ??
>> Invest you time to get knowledge in your filed.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 4:00 PM, mc110200415 Muhammad Habib Ur Rehman
>> <mc110200415@vu.edu.pk> wrote:
>>>
>>> One can also memorize long questions from past papers stupid man. You
>>> look like man of 1811 not 2011
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Muhammad Umair
>>> <muhammad.umair.491@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Right
>>>>
>>>> but it also means that those students should get good grades who work
>>>> hard unlike those who also get good grades who do not study (just
>>>> memorizing MCQs from past papers)
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 3:54 PM, mc110200415 Muhammad Habib Ur Rehman
>>>> <mc110200415@vu.edu.pk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Exam means get the test, not means how to fail student
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 3:52 PM, mc110200415 Muhammad Habib Ur Rehman
>>>>> <mc110200415@vu.edu.pk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I Think you also need to contact USA/UK universities where this exam
>>>>>> method is applied and working long Ago.
>>>>>> Lot of engineers/doctors/ programmers passed their exam with this
>>>>>> method.
>>>>>> Even some VU Teachers also passed their exam with MCQs method from
>>>>>> that univeristies.
>>>>>> No??
>>>>>> Open your own university
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Final think That I wanna ask, If VU follow your instruction you will
>>>>>> be the only student of this university.
>>>>>> Because log of professional/students only get admit due to advanced
>>>>>> method of education not due to advice of brother like you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Muhammad Umair
>>>>>> <muhammad.umair.491@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> may be...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but I didn't experience this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> anyhow, this isn't a big concern.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 3:25 PM, mc110203912 Khalid Mahmood Alvi
>>>>>>> <mc110203912@vu.edu.pk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, in programming you can't memorize all commands even by
>>>>>>>> practicing ... you can only memorize command like <If while print>
>>>>>>>> etc. but v.difficult to memorize command like ... connection strings
>>>>>>>> .... api reference etc. You need reference material / stock projects
>>>>>>>> ....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 3:18 AM, Muhammad Umair
>>>>>>>> <muhammad.umair.491@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In programming, one needs to practice more and more and as a result
>>>>>>>>> those commands are memorized automatically.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 3:05 PM, mc110203912 Khalid Mahmood Alvi
>>>>>>>>> <mc110203912@vu.edu.pk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I agree with Haroon & Others (excluding Mr. Umair), that there is
>>>>>>>>>> nothing wrong. Its very difficult to memorize, even if you are
>>>>>>>>>> doing programming work, you cannot memorize every command. The
>>>>>>>>>> knowledge require is "What's available to use", that do not mean
>>>>>>>>>> you should have every thing in your memory. The MCQs (or objective
>>>>>>>>>> type) gives enough support to check the knowledge.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 2:47 AM, Muhammad Umair
>>>>>>>>>> <muhammad.umair.491@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> achha, aap meri us baat ka jawab do phir jo main nay MGT201 k
>>>>>>>>>>> course k hawalay se specially ki Dr. Naveed Malik ko email mein
>>>>>>>>>>> kahi hai...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> us k baray mein answer karo...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 2:43 PM, mc090402794 Mohammed Haroon Baig
>>>>>>>>>>> <mc090402794@vu.edu.pk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> agree with Munazzah,,, jane logo ko bethe bethe kia hojata
>>>>>>>>>>>> hai,,,bari bari universities subjective/objective pattern follow
>>>>>>>>>>>> karrahi hain, what is the problem with u umair bhaya...Mai pori
>>>>>>>>>>>> kitab ka ek ek page parhta hon,aur past paper se mcqs bhi kafi
>>>>>>>>>>>> time lejate hain,,,usk bawajood sub yaad rakhna mushkil hota hai
>>>>>>>>>>>> aur hardly 65 to 70% result rehta hai,,,jo hai use rehne
>>>>>>>>>>>> do,,,kia sabit karna chah rahe ho ap ye kark,,,Dr.Naveed Malik
>>>>>>>>>>>> ya university ne ye pattern aise hi nahi rakha hoa ,,koi
>>>>>>>>>>>> strategy
>>>>>>>>>>>> koi evaluation criteria hi hoga. they are far more educated,
>>>>>>>>>>>> experienced than all of us.. dont mind but please stop teaching
>>>>>>>>>>>> what they should do or not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Muhammad Umair
>>>>>>>>>>>> <muhammad.umair.491@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> well, main nay kisi k sar par talwaar nahin latakwaee...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> paper pattern k baray mein suggestions tab hi di theen kyun k
>>>>>>>>>>>>> main nay dekha hooa hai k students mcqs mein itnay marks le
>>>>>>>>>>>>> letay hain jitna achha unhain subject nahin aata hota.... (not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all students. ok)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tou jo students parhtay hain, meray khayal mein woh utnay marks
>>>>>>>>>>>>> long paper pattern mein bhi le saktay hain jitna k woh mcqs
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mein lia kartay thay....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> farq kin students ko paray ga long paper pattern se.. yeh baat
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sabhi jantay hain, batanay ki zaroorat tou hai nahin....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 2:19 PM, bc090200684 Munazzah Mehak
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anjum <bc090200684@vu.edu.pk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please also let me have your comments about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long/essay/numerical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions. Are they up to the mark or are they too easy also?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after reading the above mentioned line of rector's reply...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aik baat hi kahoon gi........
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ap k tu 8 sems complete hogaye humaray siroon pr kiyun talwaar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> latakwadii bhai???....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22 August 2011 14:04, Muhammad Umair
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <muhammad.umair.491@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Assalam o Alaikum
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dr. Naveed didn't agree too much with me that change of paper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pattern lead to degradation of VU. But, I did give him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggestions about paper pattern.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here was what I wrote to him about paper pattern.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sir, please do something of this exam pattern. MCQs paper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pattern is not a good paper pattern.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Students get too much marks in this subjects. Too many even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though they don't know that particular subject that well. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happened with me on a number of occasions too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sir, I will give you a little example which I also give to my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fellow students to tell them that MCQs paper pattern is not a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good paper pattern and we get more marks than actually we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deserve.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sir, I took admission in VU in Fall 2007 semester. Sir, at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that time, I observed by seeing results of different subjects
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that how much difficult or easy a particular subject is. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saw the final term result of Financial Management (MGT201) in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spring 2008 semester and noted that there were almost 70%
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> students who failed in this subject. No other subject had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> higher percentage than this. I considered this subject the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most difficult subject that was being taught at VU. And I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember highest marks in that subject in that semester were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 77 or 78. But no one got A grade. This happened when only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10-15% portion was of MCQs and rest of the questions were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long/theoretical/numerical questions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sir, when I see the result of this subject now a days of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other students. They get A grade very very easily. How it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> possible? Also, you can check the percentage of students who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fail now in this subject and compare it with percentage of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> students who failed when there was long questions paper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pattern. You will come up with a huge difference.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I only talked about Financial Management above. However, you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can also compare percentages of other subjects that I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> considered too much difficult by seeing their results. Some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of them are Research Methods, Assembly Lanauge, Statistics,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Calculus, and many others.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sir, students see past papers and just memorize MCQs (most of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> students), attend the exam and manage to pass it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sir, no one can at least memorize long questions, especially
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> numerical questions can't be memorized. One has to practice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them to learn. Furthermore, luck can work in MCQs but not in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long questions. One can tick mark any option of MCQ and that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> option can turn out to be correct. But to write answers of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> numerical questions one has to practice and learn.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sir, I have even seen such students who don't know how to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compute derivatives and integration in Calculus and still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they pass MTH101 subject. This never happened in long
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions paper pattern.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sir, I have seen such students who don't know how to make a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> balance sheet or profit and loss account and still they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> manage to pass MGT101 Financial Accounting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same can be observed with other subjects too...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sir, MCQs also affected some of my subjects. I got more marks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in some subjects when I didn't knew subject that very well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope, you will look into my suggestions about exam pattern.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and see his reply..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Umair,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have made your case quite strongly. I will look into the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> statistics for the various courses you have mentioned.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Changing the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proportion of MCQs vs Essay type questions is very doable and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause any problems (except perhaps, a longer grading time).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please also let me have your comments about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long/essay/numerical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions. Are they up to the mark or are they too easy also?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then I replied as follows... (check my suggestion about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact that students don't cheat in assignments)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sir, here are my comments about Long, theoretical and/or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> numerical questions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sir, I will talk about such questions that are given both in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assignments and exams.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's talk about assignments first. Sir, I have observed that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many instructors don't provide such questions in assignments
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that can judge the ability of students. They give quite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simple questions on occasions. Sir, when I studied CS410
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Visual Programming) course two semesters ago. It was second
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assignment (I think) of this course, instructor gave a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> question to write a program and that program was NOTHING.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sir, we were given to write a program of which a similar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coded example was given in handouts and you know what we had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do of ourselves to complete that assignment. We were just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required to change the text in double quotes "Hello World" to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Student Name: this and VUID: this". Furthermore, most of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assignments in that semester contained questions in which we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were asked to write answers to theoretical questions instead
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of programs. Sir, theory does have importance in Programming,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but this does not mean that we should give all importance to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theory and very little importance to programming.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secondly Sir, I have a suggestion about assignments of some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subjects. Sir, there is a homework helping website of U.S.A.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.cramster.com. It has been more than a year that I help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that community in their questions related to Mathematics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sir, having spent much time on that website, I noted many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things of U.S.A.'s education that I think can be applied
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without any difficulty to our VU education as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sir, once I saw a question posted on that website which was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in somewhat following format.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Solve the following system of Linear Equations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> x1 + x2 = 5
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2x1 + 3x2 = a (where a is the last digit of your student
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ID)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sir, VU instructors can also ask such questions in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assignments (to avoid copy among students). This may not work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in all subjects, but this will definitely work in many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subjects like in Calculus, Differential Equations, Linear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Algebra, Numerical Analysis, Discrete Maths, Statistics etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc. This will also work in some selective topics of Data
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Structures, Algorithms, Automata. I can't say about MGT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> courses but those who are expert in MGT subjects can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> definitely tell you whether such approach will work in such
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subjects or not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sir, let's come to such type of questions in exams. Sir, I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much satisfied with long questions asked in exams. But, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noted from past two or three semesters that in many subjects
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long questions of 10 marks have disappeared and they have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been replaced by questions of 5 marks. I think, long
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions of 10 marks need to come back in exams too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sir, you are right that increasing number of long questions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will definitely require more time to check answers. I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the only choice for VU will be to increase the number of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tutors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Umair
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fellows, what you think now about paper pattern? Dr. naveed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> malik is looking into statistics that I mentioned in my email
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about MGT201 course and also many others. It is damn true.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope, we will see long paper pattern again in VU.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: happy.gif]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> Group Email Address:
>>>>>>>>> Attock-VU-Group@Googlegroups.Com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Join group by sending a blank email from University ID at:
>>>>>>>>> Attock-VU-Group+Subscribe@Googlegroups.Com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ████████████ Click here to Join this group at Facebook:████████████
>>>>>>>>> ♥ ♥ ♥ https://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_111877855568034 ♥
>>>>>>>>> ♥ ♥
>>>>>>>>> █████████████████████████████████████████████████
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> █████████████████████████████████████████████████
>>>>>>>> ██████████████████ Basic Group Rules ███████████████████
>>>>>>>> Immoral & Rudish talk, Earning program links, Cell number for
>>>>>>>> friendship purpose, Websites/Groups Links, Adult contents,
>>>>>>>> Criticize-able Islamic stuff, Spreading disruption, Spamming are
>>>>>>>> strictly prohibited and banned in group.
>>>>>>>> █████████████████████████████████████████████████
>>>>>>>> █████████████████████████████████████████████████
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Follow these detailed Group Rules, otherwise you will be banned at
>>>>>>>> any time.
>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YJxA8x3_U7C1lRc0EXfLrJpco4A1XkB1vDxOTqOd3Jg/edit?hl=en&authkey=CNDy9tkJ
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Group Email Address:
>>>>>>>> Attock-VU-Group@Googlegroups.Com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Join group by sending a blank email from University ID at:
>>>>>>>> Attock-VU-Group+Subscribe@Googlegroups.Com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ████████████ Click here to Join this group at Facebook:████████████
>>>>>>>> ♥ ♥ ♥ https://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_111877855568034 ♥ ♥
>>>>>>>> ♥
>>>>>>>> █████████████████████████████████████████████████
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> █████████████████████████████████████████████████
>>>>>>> ██████████████████ Basic Group Rules ███████████████████
>>>>>>> Immoral & Rudish talk, Earning program links, Cell number for
>>>>>>> friendship purpose, Websites/Groups Links, Adult contents,
>>>>>>> Criticize-able Islamic stuff, Spreading disruption, Spamming are
>>>>>>> strictly prohibited and banned in group.
>>>>>>> █████████████████████████████████████████████████
>>>>>>> █████████████████████████████████████████████████
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Follow these detailed Group Rules, otherwise you will be banned at
>>>>>>> any time.
>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YJxA8x3_U7C1lRc0EXfLrJpco4A1XkB1vDxOTqOd3Jg/edit?hl=en&authkey=CNDy9tkJ
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Group Email Address:
>>>>>>> Attock-VU-Group@Googlegroups.Com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Join group by sending a blank email from University ID at:
>>>>>>> Attock-VU-Group+Subscribe@Googlegroups.Com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ████████████ Click here to Join this group at Facebook:████████████
>>>>>>> ♥ ♥ ♥ https://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_111877855568034 ♥ ♥
>>>>>>> ♥
>>>>>>> █████████████████████████████████████████████████
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> █████████████████████████████████████████████████
>>>>> ██████████████████ Basic Group Rules ███████████████████
>>>>> Immoral & Rudish talk, Earning program links, Cell number for
>>>>> friendship purpose, Websites/Groups Links, Adult contents,
>>>>> Criticize-able Islamic stuff, Spreading disruption, Spamming are
>>>>> strictly prohibited and banned in group.
>>>>> █████████████████████████████████████████████████
>>>>> █████████████████████████████████████████████████
>>>>>
>>>>> Follow these detailed Group Rules, otherwise you will be banned at any
>>>>> time.
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YJxA8x3_U7C1lRc0EXfLrJpco4A1XkB1vDxOTqOd3Jg/edit?hl=en&authkey=CNDy9tkJ
>>>>>
>>>>> Group Email Address:
>>>>> Attock-VU-Group@Googlegroups.Com
>>>>>
>>>>> Join group by sending a blank email from University ID at:
>>>>> Attock-VU-Group+Subscribe@Googlegroups.Com
>>>>>
>>>>> ████████████ Click here to Join this group at Facebook:████████████
>>>>> ♥ ♥ ♥ https://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_111877855568034 ♥ ♥ ♥
>>>>> █████████████████████████████████████████████████
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> █████████████████████████████████████████████████
>>>> ██████████████████ Basic Group Rules ███████████████████
>>>> Immoral & Rudish talk, Earning program links, Cell number for friendship
>>>> purpose, Websites/Groups Links, Adult contents, Criticize-able Islamic
>>>> stuff, Spreading disruption, Spamming are strictly prohibited and banned
>>>> in group.
>>>> █████████████████████████████████████████████████
>>>> █████████████████████████████████████████████████
>>>>
>>>> Follow these detailed Group Rules, otherwise you will be banned at any
>>>> time.
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YJxA8x3_U7C1lRc0EXfLrJpco4A1XkB1vDxOTqOd3Jg/edit?hl=en&authkey=CNDy9tkJ
>>>>
>>>> Group Email Address:
>>>> Attock-VU-Group@Googlegroups.Com
>>>>
>>>> Join group by sending a blank email from University ID at:
>>>> Attock-VU-Group+Subscribe@Googlegroups.Com
>>>>
>>>> ████████████ Click here to Join this group at Facebook:████████████
>>>> ♥ ♥ ♥ https://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_111877855568034 ♥ ♥ ♥
>>>> █████████████████████████████████████████████████
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> █████████████████████████████████████████████████
>> ██████████████████ Basic Group Rules ███████████████████
>> Immoral & Rudish talk, Earning program links, Cell number for friendship
>> purpose, Websites/Groups Links, Adult contents, Criticize-able Islamic
>> stuff, Spreading disruption, Spamming are strictly prohibited and banned
>> in group.
>> █████████████████████████████████████████████████
>> █████████████████████████████████████████████████
>>
>> Follow these detailed Group Rules, otherwise you will be banned at any
>> time.
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YJxA8x3_U7C1lRc0EXfLrJpco4A1XkB1vDxOTqOd3Jg/edit?hl=en&authkey=CNDy9tkJ
>>
>> Group Email Address:
>> Attock-VU-Group@Googlegroups.Com
>>
>> Join group by sending a blank email from University ID at:
>> Attock-VU-Group+Subscribe@Googlegroups.Com
>>
>> ████████████ Click here to Join this group at Facebook:████████████
>> ♥ ♥ ♥ https://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_111877855568034 ♥ ♥ ♥
>> █████████████████████████████████████████████████
>
>
>
>
> --
>
>
> Tere wajood se hai gulistan ki ronkain sari, 'MAA'
> K Tere bgair is duniya ko hm Veeran likhty hain
>
> --
> █████████████████████████████████████████████████
> ██████████████████ Basic Group Rules ███████████████████
> Immoral & Rudish talk, Earning program links, Cell number for friendship
> purpose, Websites/Groups Links, Adult contents, Criticize-able Islamic
> stuff, Spreading disruption, Spamming are strictly prohibited and banned in
> group.
> █████████████████████████████████████████████████
> █████████████████████████████████████████████████
>
> Follow these detailed Group Rules, otherwise you will be banned at any time.
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YJxA8x3_U7C1lRc0EXfLrJpco4A1XkB1vDxOTqOd3Jg/edit?hl=en&authkey=CNDy9tkJ
>
> Group Email Address:
> Attock-VU-Group@Googlegroups.Com
>
> Join group by sending a blank email from University ID at:
> Attock-VU-Group+Subscribe@Googlegroups.Com
>
> ████████████ Click here to Join this group at Facebook:████████████
> ♥ ♥ ♥ https://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_111877855568034 ♥ ♥ ♥
> █████████████████████████████████████████████████
>
--
█████████████████████████████████████████████████
██████████████████ Basic Group Rules ███████████████████
Immoral & Rudish talk, Earning program links, Cell number for friendship purpose, Websites/Groups Links, Adult contents, Criticize-able Islamic stuff, Spreading disruption, Spamming are strictly prohibited and banned in group.
█████████████████████████████████████████████████
█████████████████████████████████████████████████
Follow these detailed Group Rules, otherwise you will be banned at any time.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YJxA8x3_U7C1lRc0EXfLrJpco4A1XkB1vDxOTqOd3Jg/edit?hl=en&authkey=CNDy9tkJ
Group Email Address:
Attock-VU-Group@Googlegroups.Com
Join group by sending a blank email from University ID at:
Attock-VU-Group+Subscribe@Googlegroups.Com
████████████ Click here to Join this group at Facebook:████████████
♥ ♥ ♥ https://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_111877855568034 ♥ ♥ ♥
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