On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 8:47 PM, mc110200415 Muhammad Habib Ur Rehman <mc110200415@vu.edu.pk> wrote:
WOWYour storage of emglish words ended again???
On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Muhammad Umair <muhammad.umair.491@gmail.com> wrote:
main tou professors provide nahin kar sakta campuses mein... waisay campuses mein kafi intelligent students hotay hain, aap un se parh lia karo...aur samajh lia karo.....aur aap subjective portion k liay recommended books lia karo... kamaal ki hoti hain woh books... samajhnay mein koi pareshani nahin aati... bas aap ki English itni honi chahiye k aap samajh sakain aasani se....--On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 8:40 PM, mc080404283 Duraz Sajjad <mc080404283@vu.edu.pk> wrote:
jasa paper pattern vu provide kr raha hay wo best hay.i love vu paper pattern.umair g app vu may dobara admit hu jayu phir subjective krwa lana.hum ko kio tension day rahay hu.na hmara koyee teacher hay jo humay subjective krwa skay buss videos hay un say pori info nahi milti.agar app paper patern change karwana chahtay hay tu humay vu campuses may professors bi day do jo hmay teach kr skay ok.paper pattern pu wala chahtay hay app aur jub teaching ki baat hu tu student khud say study kr lay.app kay ya video lecture 10 year say bi ziada old hu chukay hay.daily education may improvement hu rahi hay aur hum wohi purani kahania sun rahay hay.jasay cs101 ki example lay lo ajj kay computer aur 10 year old computer ki dunya may kitna differenc hay.vu sirf iss lia lecture upgrade nahi krta kio kay phir dobara say professors ko job kay lia pay krna hu ga.is lia bhtr hay jo paper pattern hay abi wo hi best hay.
On 8/22/11, Muhammad Umair <muhammad.umair.491@gmail.com> wrote:
> Feel free to send.
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> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Rizwan Siddiqui <mc100200907@vu.edu.pk>
> wrote:
>>
>> I have seen only one man is trying to destroy image of V.U.
>> I am sending all his mails to rector now.
>>
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>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Shahzad Sadiq <lushahz@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Wa'ALaikummussalam.............
>>>
>>> Please also let me have your comments about the long/essay/numerical
>>> questions. Are they up to the mark or are they too easy also?
>>>
>>>
>>> Lo ji tyari kar
>>> lo...........................
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>>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Muhammad Umair
>>> <muhammad.umair.491@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Assalam o Alaikum
>>>>
>>>> Dr. Naveed didn't agree too much with me that change of paper pattern
>>>> lead to degradation of VU. But, I did give him suggestions about paper
>>>> pattern.
>>>>
>>>> Here was what I wrote to him about paper pattern.
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Sir, please do something of this exam pattern. MCQs paper pattern is not
>>>> a good paper pattern.
>>>>
>>>> Students get too much marks in this subjects. Too many even though they
>>>> don't know that particular subject that well. It happened with me on a
>>>> number of occasions too.
>>>>
>>>> Sir, I will give you a little example which I also give to my fellow
>>>> students to tell them that MCQs paper pattern is not a good paper
>>>> pattern and we get more marks than actually we deserve.
>>>>
>>>> Sir, I took admission in VU in Fall 2007 semester. Sir, at that time, I
>>>> observed by seeing results of different subjects that how much difficult
>>>> or easy a particular subject is. I saw the final term result of
>>>> Financial Management (MGT201) in Spring 2008 semester and noted that
>>>> there were almost 70% students who failed in this subject. No other
>>>> subject had higher percentage than this. I considered this subject the
>>>> most difficult subject that was being taught at VU. And I remember
>>>> highest marks in that subject in that semester were 77 or 78. But no one
>>>> got A grade. This happened when only 10-15% portion was of MCQs and rest
>>>> of the questions were long/theoretical/numerical questions.
>>>>
>>>> Sir, when I see the result of this subject now a days of other students.
>>>> They get A grade very very easily. How it is possible? Also, you can
>>>> check the percentage of students who fail now in this subject and
>>>> compare it with percentage of students who failed when there was long
>>>> questions paper pattern. You will come up with a huge difference.
>>>>
>>>> I only talked about Financial Management above. However, you can also
>>>> compare percentages of other subjects that I considered too much
>>>> difficult by seeing their results. Some of them are Research Methods,
>>>> Assembly Lanauge, Statistics, Calculus, and many others.
>>>>
>>>> Sir, students see past papers and just memorize MCQs (most of students),
>>>> attend the exam and manage to pass it.
>>>>
>>>> Sir, no one can at least memorize long questions, especially numerical
>>>> questions can't be memorized. One has to practice them to learn.
>>>> Furthermore, luck can work in MCQs but not in long questions. One can
>>>> tick mark any option of MCQ and that option can turn out to be correct.
>>>> But to write answers of numerical questions one has to practice and
>>>> learn.
>>>>
>>>> Sir, I have even seen such students who don't know how to compute
>>>> derivatives and integration in Calculus and still they pass MTH101
>>>> subject. This never happened in long questions paper pattern.
>>>>
>>>> Sir, I have seen such students who don't know how to make a balance
>>>> sheet or profit and loss account and still they manage to pass MGT101
>>>> Financial Accounting.
>>>>
>>>> same can be observed with other subjects too...
>>>>
>>>> Sir, MCQs also affected some of my subjects. I got more marks in some
>>>> subjects when I didn't knew subject that very well.
>>>>
>>>> I hope, you will look into my suggestions about exam pattern.
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> and see his reply..
>>>>
>>>> Umair,
>>>>
>>>> You have made your case quite strongly. I will look into the
>>>> statistics for the various courses you have mentioned. Changing the
>>>> proportion of MCQs vs Essay type questions is very doable and will not
>>>> cause any problems (except perhaps, a longer grading time).
>>>>
>>>> Please also let me have your comments about the long/essay/numerical
>>>> questions. Are they up to the mark or are they too easy also?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Then I replied as follows... (check my suggestion about the fact that
>>>> students don't cheat in assignments)
>>>>
>>>> Sir, here are my comments about Long, theoretical and/or numerical
>>>> questions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sir, I will talk about such questions that are given both in assignments
>>>> and exams.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Let's talk about assignments first. Sir, I have observed that many
>>>> instructors don't provide such questions in assignments that can judge
>>>> the ability of students. They give quite simple questions on occasions.
>>>> Sir, when I studied CS410 (Visual Programming) course two semesters ago.
>>>> It was second assignment (I think) of this course, instructor gave a
>>>> question to write a program and that program was NOTHING. Sir, we were
>>>> given to write a program of which a similar coded example was given in
>>>> handouts and you know what we had to do of ourselves to complete that
>>>> assignment. We were just required to change the text in double quotes
>>>> "Hello World" to "Student Name: this and VUID: this". Furthermore, most
>>>> of assignments in that semester contained questions in which we were
>>>> asked to write answers to theoretical questions instead of programs.
>>>> Sir, theory does have importance in Programming, but this does not mean
>>>> that we should give all importance to theory and very little importance
>>>> to programming.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Secondly Sir, I have a suggestion about assignments of some subjects.
>>>> Sir, there is a homework helping website of U.S.A. www.cramster.com. It
>>>> has been more than a year that I help that community in their questions
>>>> related to Mathematics. Sir, having spent much time on that website, I
>>>> noted many things of U.S.A.'s education that I think can be applied
>>>> without any difficulty to our VU education as well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sir, once I saw a question posted on that website which was in somewhat
>>>> following format.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Solve the following system of Linear Equations.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> x1 + x2 = 5
>>>>
>>>> 2x1 + 3x2 = a (where a is the last digit of your student ID)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sir, VU instructors can also ask such questions in assignments (to avoid
>>>> copy among students). This may not work in all subjects, but this will
>>>> definitely work in many subjects like in Calculus, Differential
>>>> Equations, Linear Algebra, Numerical Analysis, Discrete Maths,
>>>> Statistics etc. etc. This will also work in some selective topics of
>>>> Data Structures, Algorithms, Automata. I can't say about MGT courses but
>>>> those who are expert in MGT subjects can definitely tell you whether
>>>> such approach will work in such subjects or not.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sir, let's come to such type of questions in exams. Sir, I am much
>>>> satisfied with long questions asked in exams. But, I noted from past two
>>>> or three semesters that in many subjects long questions of 10 marks have
>>>> disappeared and they have been replaced by questions of 5 marks. I
>>>> think, long questions of 10 marks need to come back in exams too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sir, you are right that increasing number of long questions will
>>>> definitely require more time to check answers. I think the only choice
>>>> for VU will be to increase the number of tutors.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Umair
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Fellows, what you think now about paper pattern? Dr. naveed malik is
>>>> looking into statistics that I mentioned in my email about MGT201 course
>>>> and also many others. It is damn true.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I hope, we will see long paper pattern again in VU.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [image: happy.gif]
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