On 20 August 2011 22:04, Muhammad Umair <muhammad.umair.491@gmail.com> wrote:
Agreed with your review of exam pattern.
You ask Long question or you ask MCQ. It really makes no difference. You have to test the analytical abilities of student.
The answer to your question as to why students are scoring differently today through MCQ is the fact that they are memorizing the past papers. Even if it is replaced with long questions and the questions are repeated or are straight forward, the point remains the same. They will only memorize.Dear, replacing MCQs with long questions will make big difference. It is obvious that long questions especially numerical questions of Maths, Accounting, Stats and many other subjects cannot be memorized. Even if one sees past papers, one cannot remember long numerical questions. I still remember that in the era of long questions paper pattern in VU, past papers were also available, but no one was able to memorize them. One had to learn at the point.
I know the worth of VU's degree. While you go ahead with arguments, you have to understand the difference between a local university and an E-University.Dear, but the main concern is that this E-university was never degraded from its existence in 2002 up to 2008.On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 9:24 PM, BlackMist <mc100200142@vu.edu.pk> wrote:
I think i have to go much back in my history to explain you even in more detail.
I have studied in an institution and under a board where the concept of MCQ's do not exist even today. Calculators not allowed, We got 3 hours paper made of about 30 questions carrying 100 marks. Everything is written. Nothing ever comes from book. NOTHING at all. SO no matter how much you mug up your course book, it will not benefit. One has to be conceptual.
From that mode of education, i moved to one of prestigious universities in Pakistan did my graduation. The idea was nearly same. Long questions, NO MCQ's, yeah calculators allowed and yeah questions were mostly from books. I mean slight twist is there but everything is from book.
Now lets compare the results... I was an average student in my old mode of education and i was BELOW average student in the university where i studied.
Despite having long questions pattern, university did not force me to study but rather forced many others to MUG UP. They scored well and i merely passed in 1st division.
What happens next. This topper of my batch and me both go into fields. He gets employed in UAE and i get employed at another place. After 2 years he contacts me and asks me to help him in switching to my field. I do that, i get him in my organization. We both work at same place
He fails badly and at this very moment i am ranked and valued quite highly in my firm.
By the way let me tell you umair that i am doing a job for over 6 years as on today.
You have to pick the point i am trying to explain to you. Today even when parents force their kids to study, kids dont really like it. Kids like to go their own way out.
Universities are not meant to force you or create something out of you. They are available to facilitate you in obtaining knowledge. They are here to verify that you have gained & understood knowledge at least marginally if not fully.
The question again stands still. "ARE THE QUESTIONS TESTING ANALYTICAL ABILITIES OR THE MEMORY OF A STUDENT"
You ask Long question or you ask MCQ. It really makes no difference. You have to test the analytical abilities of student.
The answer to your question as to why students are scoring differently today through MCQ is the fact that they are memorizing the past papers. Even if it is replaced with long questions and the questions are repeated or are straight forward, the point remains the same. They will only memorize.
By the way, i guess we have deviated alot from your point. Please raise back your understanding as to why you value VU's degree to be low and i would also like to know that with whom are you comparing VU.
I know the worth of VU's degree. While you go ahead with arguments, you have to understand the difference between a local university and an E-University. There is alot of difference when it comes to E-Learning and your views should be on international basis. I respect the point that you are available in Pakistan and you care as to what it luks like over there but then again VU is not a local university but an International university.
Lets hear what you have got to say.
Regards,On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Muhammad Umair <muhammad.umair.491@gmail.com> wrote:
Agreed with your thoughts that you explained about in your first few paragraphs.If i take your argument further and go to the concept of examinations. It is a student who has to be fair in his learning. We are not studying in kindergarten. We are getting educated in UNIVERSITY. There is alot of difference. They are not supposed to spoon feed us. They are supposed to guide us. We are the ones who have to show interest and potential. We are the one's who have to ASK questions. We have to clarify our doubts, build our understanding.Dear, I do agree with you to some extent. There are still students who study thoroughly and are intelligent students.But, I have another point of view and again paper pattern comes into play. Dear, when there was long questions paper pattern, students were forced to study by their university and show good results. In long question paper pattern most students knew that if they will not study, they will fail. But this is not happening with MCQs paper pattern. Students are not forced by VU to study thoroughly.Regarding your point about type of questions in exams. I do agree with you. It is not good to ask such type of questions to write short paragraphs, etc. in exams. VU should ask those question which test the ability of students. You know dear, when there was long questions paper pattern, even in theoretical questions, such questions were not asked. Those questions were asked in which student has to come up with his own answer and then write in his own wording.With subjects that require practice to learn like Mathematics, Accounting, etc. etc. I think, long numerical questioons test the ability of students. MCQs don't.--
█████████████████████████████████████████████████
██████████████████ Basic Group Rules ███████████████████
Immoral & Rudish talk, Earning program links, Cell number for friendship purpose, Websites/Groups Links, Adult contents, Criticize-able Islamic stuff, Spreading disruption, Spamming are strictly prohibited and banned in group.
█████████████████████████████████████████████████
█████████████████████████████████████████████████
Follow these detailed Group Rules, otherwise you will be banned at any time.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YJxA8x3_U7C1lRc0EXfLrJpco4A1XkB1vDxOTqOd3Jg/edit?hl=en&authkey=CNDy9tkJ
Group Email Address:
Attock-VU-Group@Googlegroups.Com
Join group by sending a blank email from University ID at:
Attock-VU-Group+Subscribe@Googlegroups.Com
████████████ Click here to Join this group at Facebook:████████████
♥ ♥ ♥ https://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_111877855568034 ♥ ♥ ♥
█████████████████████████████████████████████████
With Regards
Munazzah Mehak Anjum --
█████████████████████████████████████████████████
██████████████████ Basic Group Rules ███████████████████
Immoral & Rudish talk, Earning program links, Cell number for friendship purpose, Websites/Groups Links, Adult contents, Criticize-able Islamic stuff, Spreading disruption, Spamming are strictly prohibited and banned in group.
█████████████████████████████████████████████████
█████████████████████████████████████████████████
Follow these detailed Group Rules, otherwise you will be banned at any time.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YJxA8x3_U7C1lRc0EXfLrJpco4A1XkB1vDxOTqOd3Jg/edit?hl=en&authkey=CNDy9tkJ
Group Email Address:
Attock-VU-Group@Googlegroups.Com
Join group by sending a blank email from University ID at:
Attock-VU-Group+Subscribe@Googlegroups.Com
████████████ Click here to Join this group at Facebook:████████████
♥ ♥ ♥ https://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_111877855568034 ♥ ♥ ♥
█████████████████████████████████████████████████
No comments:
Post a Comment